если вы перед тем как записаться в турнир читали правила, то там есть такой пункт 3. Организаторы при необходимости будут вносить изменения в правила и регламент по ходу турнира
they have this right, but only in emergencies:
Pit for LMд) Изменения правил и регламента после начала турнира (т.е. когда сыграна первая партия) допускаются лишь в крайних случаях;
tournament was under threat of failure and chess timer was the only way to save him?if necessary...
since the internal survey among newcomers regarding chess timer didn't took place, I looked up who of us participated in the poll.
may be inaccurate, but better than nothing :
- before the start of the tournament, 24 participants - 50% could (perhaps wanted) play with a chess timer
- at the time when the change occurred, 8 participants: 37% could (perhaps wanted) to play with the chess timer
The potential need for a chess timer is continuously decreasing.
If majority of players who have nothing to do with this tournament vote some changes it doesn't mean that they reflects novice's needs.
What was the real necessity of introducing chess timer specially for this tournament?Seems like only this 2 cases allows by rules to make any changes: the necessity and the criticality of the situation.
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изменения по поводу шахматного таймера были внесены после того, как было проведено голосование по нему и он был утвержден для всех турниров на портале
Решение о переходе на шахматный таймер принималось всем форумом и следовательно имеет наивысший приоритет.
in our case, this is one of the most complicated way of saying : Все побежали — и я побежал
I found interesting that two players by mutual agreement can change the HW rules as they want , except fair play, and play by them regardless if meantime initial HW rules will change or not. In case of controversial issues the judge will make a decision first of all based on mutual agreement which has higher priority than HW rules.
Same idea but for tournaments:
Every tourney shall adopt HW rules as basic set of rules but can adapt them to their own needs or leave them as is.
By accepting the tournament rules, participant basically makes an mutual agreement with all other participants. When all participants make this agreement and tournament starts, the rules of the tournament are no longer HW's rules or referee's rules ... they become mutual agreement of this group of players.
Imho, in case of controversial issues the judge should make a decision first of all based on our mutual agreement which has higher priority.
Or rules of the tournament cannot be considered a mutual agreement? If not, why?forum decided...
I really don't get it , how someone outside of this tournament can make changes in my/our mutual agreement without my/our consent.
*I doubt also that good / professional players are very interested or had the intention to change something in the sandbox.
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Причина, почему он так сделал, уже не имеет значения,
maybe not for this tourney, but in general it matters
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аннулировать такой отчет я не позволю. Это спорт и ходы обратно не берутся.
totally agree, I had no such intention.
being a participant, isn't ethical to contest any decision of the organizers /referee, even if disagree. Now, when I came out of the tournament, we can comfortably discuss
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Нашел я этот пост от Роджера основной значит предпочтительный, то етсь если двое спорят про таймер, то шахматный в приоритете, но сод таймер катать по желанию вам никто не запрещает.
Никто не запрещает играть на сод таймере при договоренности.От себя скажу, что готов играть сод таймер на смке и паник если в этом будет категорически острая нужда оппонента.
what this change of rules does ... only allows some of the participants do not keep their initial promises (is the way I feel
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But if someone would be so merciful and wants to keep its promises then the organisers do not mind. Indeed, some of them are so generous that they are ready keep at least part of their promises.
I guess, it's time to say thanks
*I don't blame anyone, since they followed the rules
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если есть возможность выбирать между бмв и жигулем, выбор очевиден
better to say, if made it possible to ...
We all agreed in this race ( ice, water, sharp turns etc) to use жигулем. Somehow, the organizers before the final round gave all of us BMWs to finish the race.
Unfortunately, I don't know how to drive the automatic transmission in extreme conditions.
I was ready to continue the race: my жигулем against other BMWs, but it is technically impossible...
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I'll try to anticipate some of most common arguments:
Турнир играется по правилам ХВ. Если правила изменились в процессе турнира, то изменения распространяются на все турниры. Исключения составляют лишь начатые партии.
I didn't found anything in the rules for now to confirm this...
*Regarding tournaments that consist of a series of games: many people seem to treat a tournament as a single game, this type of attitude falls under the category of metagaming...
If I have to skip all terminology and translate it to heroes game probably we will have following example( let's be based on current Novice tourney):
Tourney is nothing else than one Big Game which involves 24 ( can be N) participants.
Imagine a huge map with 24 starting locations (castles)
Tournament begins = Big Game begins.
Every round of tournament is considered 1 week of a Big Game.
If the rules cannot be changed during a game between 2 players the more so why somebody is allowed to do so during a game between 24 players ?
btw, how a tournament is treated by HW community?
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В регламенте турнира указана ссылка на правила, а соответственно если меняется содержимое ссылки, то меняются и правила турнира.
На что я должен ссылаться, если в игре возникла такая ситуация? На ссылку правил или на то, что было раньше на словах?
Link, is rather a convenience not to copy / paste all the rules for each tournament.
Is not a secret that the judges use computers during the trial.
The judge also uses the link to find the law to a particular case.
Objectivity comes first, if the crime was committed before the changes in the law no one will use this latest update.
If is a tournament game, should be judged by the existing rules when the tournament began.
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I hope nobody feels offended, perhaps somewhere I was too harsh.
Thanks for reading, best regards
p.s. most of my statements are not nailed facts, just my personal opinion ... under the law "beginner is always right" (c) (Idk whose, but I liked it)